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idea that he might have been a Communist at one time. But still the rumor would persist. And I think he had two trials, or two inquiries--they're not real trials--before the Civil Service Commission.

In each case, after much thought, the original body had heard him and then the Commission had heard him, and the Commission as well as the lower body had cleared him. They had said, “No, we have no evidence.”

Well, just about as I came in, or shortly after I came in to the Commission, the great discovery had been made that this man had lived in New York for a number of years under the name of Wales--Tony Wales. Was it Tony Wales or was it Chuck Wales? As Tony or Chuck Wales, he was well known to the police, but the two persons, Wales, and Marzani, had never been joined in the knowledge of the Government, either the city or the Federal Government. It was police work that discovered it.

What had he done that the police knew him? Oh, he had done everything that the police knew him. I mean, he had been a ringleader in the Communist movement. He had been at meetings, he had made speeches, he had gotten up meetings, he had circulated petitions. He had not only circulated petitions for votes, but had taken the active part in making representations about the Russian Government and various