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other things. He had been in the underground, so the police said. I don't remember the details of what it was he had done In the underground, but I mean he had been in the underground in New York, presumably operating for the Communists. That was the gist of their testimony. It was a very shocking thing when this was discovered, you see. It was very startling.

Well, of course, right away it was a matter of a very celebrated case. They had naturally hailed him in again and confronted him with this evidence, and confronted him with the New York police. He couldn't explain how come he was the same personality recognized by them and by a number of others--I mean, not by one man but by a dozen of them--as Tony Wales whom they had long known and had a spot on, and that he was now Marzani here.

Then they began to look into how he came into the Government. Well, he came in perfectly regularly, took an examination, did very well, you know--got in; and rose rather rapidly by making himself useful and agreeable.

Then of course he was tried again, and prosecuted for perjury, because that was the only thing to do. On perjury they held him, and he went to prison. He served a term in prison.

Well, that had been very, very shocking. Now, this man