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trouble, and trying to make out that things were all right when they weren't all right, and I was disgusted, and this probably had the answer. So I joined up with these things. Sure, I never joined the Communist Party, I joined the Communist Youth Movement. I never formed any cells among the workers on these boats to Alaska, but I did agitate a little and tell'em how everything was wrong.

“Then I got back, and by this time I was settling down and I had to earn a living, and I forgot about it. Then came the Roosevelt administration, which seemed to be really intending to do something for people. I got a job somewhere and I moved along, and then came the War, and I wanted to turn my talents to the defense of my country, and so I volunteered my services and I was accepted, and nobody said boo to me about Communism.”

“But you took the bath of office, didn't you?”

“Yes, sure.”

“Well, you know, you said you were not a Communist.”

“I didn't know that!”

“Didn't you read over the little card that they gave you?”

“I can't remember. I suppose I didn't. I had to sign and I signed where they told me to sign.”

You see, it's all printed on a card, and everybody who joins the Government signs on a card which has the full oath of office, so that it constitutes perjury if they've signed that,