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His case, of course, came up after the Loyalty Board was formed, but I had heard about it before it was formed. A number of such cases began to be brought to my attention when Melloy knew that the Chairman, Mitchell, was going to the meetings of this Committee, and what they were dealing with. I mean cases similar to the one I have just described, cases of people who once were Communists and said they weren't.

Of course, the gist of the matter is that if they had denied something else in their background, it wouldn't have mattered so much. It's still perjury if you say you have a degree from a certain college and haven't got it. But still it isn't quite so serious a perjury, in the eyes of the Government at this time, as it is if you say you were never a Communist and you were.

There was no hint at this time of great international conspiracy of the sort McCarthy has tried to bring out?

No.

Alger Hiss, you see, had left the Government and gone over to Carnegie and was working in New York peacefully and nobody knew anything about him or anything against him. I daresay, of course--in fact I'm sure--that the F.B.I. by this time had piped in to their superior officers certain information, perhaps given to them by Whittaker Chambers, whom