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political. It had a lot of politics in it.

I inclined to John Lord O'Brian. I thought we couldn't have done any better. I had a long, long talk with him, and he absolutely turned me down, and told me the reasons.

Then I inclined to Owen J. Roberts, and I called him up by long distance telephone to persuade him to it. He only barely heard me make the preliminary statements of what this thing was when he said, “Certainly not, Frances. Not under any circumstances would I touch a thing like that with a ten foot pole. I think it's crazy. I think it's ridiculous. I don't believe in that kind of thing, and I won't have anything to do with it. No, I won't even hear of it. No, you can't come up to put it to me in person. Be glad to see you any day you want to come and make a peaceful visit, but I won't have anything to do with it. I don't have to think about it. I won't do it.”

Well, that was that, I remember. Then I called Grenville Clark. He took it under consideration, and we had an awful lot of telephone conversations back and forth. He's a very conscientious man, you know, terrifically moved by his conscience. I knew he was not well. I knew he was in very delicate health, but I had hoped that he would do it because he's a man of very great integrity and great ability. But the final answer, after examining his conscience, was “No.”