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charge was that she was a Communist or not, but anyhow, the mother was. The family was, and that was a suspicious thing. I mean, how could he have been so close to him and not become involved? was the idea.

Then his wife turned state's evidence against him, and testified that he had been all these things, and therefore he had committed perjury, and therefore the court indicted him for perjury and he was tried and convicted. The case, when it was before the Loyalty Review Board was, as it turned out later, an incomolete case. It did not have the evidence of the wife, and it did not have the evidence of these two men who had known him in the South, and there was one thread of evidence, I think, from Dartmouth College--somebody who had been a classmate who had not testified before the Loyalty Review Board, but who finally was persuaded that it was his duty to testify before the court.

That was a very painful case. The Loyalty Review Board was divided about it. The Commission was divided about it. The subordinates of the Commission were divided about it. I mean, nobody felt easy or right about the Remington case, before it ever went before the on court. He was a very agreeable and likeable person, and he was a very intelligent person, and it seemed as though he were too intelligent and too well brought up. He was a very well-brought-up your man.

Did you know him or talk to him?