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No, I didn't know him. So far as I can recall, I never had seen him. I don't think so. It's just possible that I did, but I don't recell him at all, except his picture in the paper. But he was a very likeable person, and he had done well in the Department. He was an enthusiastic young man. The idea that he would go out to a cigar store carrying newspaper releases--I mean mimeographed sheets--that had been prepared for distribution to the Press, and hand them to Miss Elizabeth Bentley, secretly--why, it seemed so silly and naive, you know, for him to have done a thing like that. And I think that that was. I think he was silly and naive more than wicked. He was silly to have put himself in the position of being charged with perjury. Of course, he'd be alive today if he hadn't continued to claim that he was innocent, after the evidence was all there. That was a silly thing. We'll say it was a wrong thing for him to lie in the first place, it probably was, but it was plain silly to continue the lie when you can see the evidence.

How do you feel about this whole-Loyalty Review Board business?

Well, I felt that the Loyalty Review Board was a good arrangement in a desperately difficult situation. I didn't think that the Loyalty Review Board would necessarily be right on every case, but that the chances of their being