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right were very considerable. I mean, they had a lot of people, they had different points of view, they had an opportunity to discuss the cases from different points of view and with different people. In general, they hit upon a pretty good solution.

Before they got through, you see--this was what happened. This I guess was after beth Richardson had resigned because of ill health, He later died, you remember, and Hiram Bingham was appointed. We still wanted a Republican. I don't know whether it was a good idea to get Bingham or not, but he didn't seriously change the attitudes and the procedures of the Loyalty Review Board. Of course everybody was getting more and more worked up all the time, as more and more cases appeared to be problem cases. It went quite peacefully for a while, you know, and then certain problem cases began to appear, and people got worked up about it.

Do you think the presumption is a good one: that a former Communist is ipso facto not a desirable person to have in the Government?

There was never any such assumption as that. I mean, a former Communist could still be employed, unless he had committed perjury.

Now, of course times have changed, haven't they?