The educational programming for the exhibition Lines of Flight searches for alternative pedagogical practices in the arts in a student-organized podcast, “Lines in Real Time.” The series includes three main episodes, each composed of two halves, “Line” and “Real Time.” In “Line,” the guest-host presents a line of inquiry on one pedagogical method. “Real Time” features the guest-host applying that method to practice. The topics of these episodes are the ethics of display, types of dialogue surrounding art, and audience engagement with works in progress. A supplemental episode examines historical themes in progressive education and pedagogical theory that contextualize the other episodes and consider K–12 audiences.

Episode 1

Co-producers and hosts Sarah Diver and Katherine Cohn introduce the podcast.

Episode 2: Line

Host Leah Hartman focuses on ethical quandaries of exhibition practices and the potential of media intervention betweenan audience and a traumatic episode. Featured in Line is an interview with scholar David Levi-Strauss.

Episode 2: Real Time

Episode 2 continues with an unedited recording of one person narrating her experience watching the Islamic State's "The Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice #1" – Nineveh Province, 2015.

Episode 3

Host David Crane explores the role of conversations in pedagogical practice, featuring an interview with artist and author Pablo Helguera, followed by a conversation between David Crane and "Life Serial" artist Emily Kloppenburg.

Episode 4

Host Michelle Marques considers the educational potential of interacting withan artist's works in progress, featuring an interview with Allison Freedman Weisberg, Executive Director and Founder of Recess, and a conversation with "Life Serial" artist Bethany Collins.

Episode 5

Host and art critic Jessica Holmes considers failures of art spaces and school spaces alike in the face of pedagogical theory. The episode includes an interview with artists and educators Edith Gwathmey and Ann-Marie Mott, as well as a roundtable discussion with Marit Dewhurst, author of Social Justice Art: A Framework for Activist Art Pedagogy, Jasmin Eli-Washington, an arts educator for the past 10 years in New York City Public Schools K-12; and Daniela Fifi, The Miriam and Ira D. Wallach Art Gallery's Samuel H. Kress Interpretive Fellow and a PhD candidate at Teachers College. The episode ends with recordings of special tours of Lines of Flight conducted by Daniela Fifi with participating 6th grade students.

Podcast Credits

Produced by: Katherine Cohn and Sarah Diver
Sound editor: Vika Aronson
Assistant sound editor: J. C. Howard
Sound mixer: Aaron Leeder
Original music written and performed by: Aaron Leeder and Ally Chapel