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Oh, really?

Oh, sure. Yes, I've been watching it. How can I not? And I've been watching our government in regard to South Africa, as distinct from Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Poland. And I've watched our former Ambassador to the UN, Ms. [Jeanne] Kirkpatrick, in her first year of her role as Ambassador, meeting with the Chief of Intelligence of the government of South Africa and saying that she didn't know who these three people were. This was within just a few years after Andy [Andrew] Young was forced to resign from his position, because he had met with representatives of the Arabs and the Palestinian government.

But nobody, including the civil rights organizations, raised and sustained questions about what was the meaning of this meeting between our UN Ambassador and representatives from the South African government. In New York, by the way. No one asked how was it possible for a member of the Cabinet, which she was as Ambassador to the UN, to say in a way that, you know, that anyone could possibly accept that she didn't know who these people were, and no one forced her to deal with, well, what was this about? Soon after that came the policy of “constructive engagement”, however, which has contributed significantly to the regression of race relations in--

In South Africa. Constructive engagement.