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Yes.
Would you say that this is one area-- this area of civil rights, whether it's in this country or in South Africa, this is one area where the Reagan Administration has displayed a certain consistency?
Well, I don't think there's any question about it. The Reagan Administration has been very consistent about race relations, not only in South Africa, but here too. So there is no inconsistency.
Incidentally, what was your purpose in going to South Africa?
I went to find out what the blacks and the Coloureds in South Africa thought about the disinvestment thing. I had a client-- a corporation, one of the large corporations in the United States-- who had been invited by a South African corporation to do a joint venture, that was to help in training and employing blacks in the “homelands”. And I did a study of what blacks in the United States thought about it and what the church groups in the United States thought about it. But to me that was not enough. I wanted to know what blacks in South Africa thought, and I had to go there to find out. And I took a group, a team, including, interestingly enough, a South African black who was at Harvard at the time, Percy Qaboza, who went back
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