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hotel that we stayed in. And obviously the managers of the hotels would assign us the rooms.

I'd mentioned, or put in my question, the possibility you were being bugged from a distance, because I was just re-reading the accounts of Andy Young's resignation, where it said he discovered very shortly, after the meeting with the PLO agents that the federal government had a verbatim account of the conversations he had. He was either bugged at a distance or there was a bug planted in the PLO rooms.

You mentioned these homelands. Now the obvious objective is to take away the South African citizenship of the blacks, is it not? Of the citizenship of the so-called homelands?

They make no bones about that.

The living conditions, as I read, are pretty terrible. You went into the homelands, did you not?

Oh, sure.

Are they as bad as I read?

Yes.

Lacking all sorts of facilities, from sewage and water to, of