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Clark:

Yes. Last week.

Q:

As I recall, he said that we really had to-- didn't just move to the center in a philosophical sense, if I read his remarks right, but he said we have to take a look at those Great Society programs that we've had and see which ones were not effective and get rid of those. Or at least reorient them.

Clark:

We have to be more realistic, that's the diagram.

Q:

More realistic, yes.

Clark:

And part of the realism, which he didn't mention, was which ones of them were permitted to work. It's fashionable to say they didn't work, but it's unfashionable to say why. Maybe one of the reasons they didn't work was because they were seen largely as a black-- the blacks. Even poor whites disassociated themselves for the most part from anti-poverty programs, and the anti-poverty programs did come in conflict with traditional political power controlling forces. But nobody says that. It's fashionable to say they didn't work. So therefore let's get rid of them. It's equally unfashionable to say, all right, get rid of them, so what will you put in its place that will work? Well! Do nothing! Abandon them. There are expendable people in our society and that's becoming the more and more fashionable thing to accept. And among the expendables-- among the visible





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