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expendables are the blacks, in spite of the fact that twice as many whites are below the poverty line. So that's too bad for them, because they're associated with blacks. And even they themselves may prefer poverty to seeking remedies that would associate them with blacks.

Yes, isn't it true that prejudice can be more intense among poor whites?

Yes. That's right.

Better off whites, who will still be often biased.

That's one of the fascinating things to me with anti-Marxian-- simplistic Marxism, in which they believe class will be the determining factors in how one functions in a society. But Marx certainly did not take into account the psychological value of race over low economic status. The American labor movement certainly shows that clearly.

Years ago, when Patrick Moynihan suggested the approach “benign neglect”, do you think he had something like this in mind, this kind of rollback that's going back now?

Pat was ahead of his time, wasn't he? Now he's-- I saw him at the club right after his victory, and I was having lunch