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Was it because of his “benign neglect” statement?

Not just that.

What was your rationale for--

That Pat had clearly become a very articulate spokesman of the neo-conservatives. I told you he was ahead of his time. And Buckley was consistent and I had no-- you know, I differed with Buckley on a number of things, but I also must tell you I thought of him as a gentleman, and I thought that I could discuss with him seriously concerns on matters of race. By this time I thought that Pat had had all the answers on race and they were not my answers and that there was no basis for discussion, for further discussion, although I was close to him during most of the Kennedy administration. I was one of his backers when he was running for the lowly position of president of the City Council of New York. And talked with J. Raymond Jones about getting Raymond Jones to get De Sapio to back him. He lost terribly. I backed Pat Moynihan on his original monograph called THE BLACK FAMILY, but I was wrong and a number of my colleagues told me I was wrong. But Tom Pettigrew and I backed him. But by the time he started to run for the Senate, I was disillusioned.

That wasn't an indelicate question, because that was something, as you said, was on the front page of the TIMES, and a number of black politicians said that I was crazy. And my