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response to them was that I wasn't a politician.

Did you by any chance those earlier years ever discuss with Jim Buckley family planning issues, birth control, even population control?

Not directly. I mean, we agreed that there were some issues that we disagreed on, and that certainly was one of them. You know, the interesting thing is I had respect for him as a gentleman, and I guess that was largely the reason I felt that I could without embarrassment back him. I have respect for the intellect of his brother.

I don't think that's an unusual respect.

And the humor, the intelligence.

You're talking about William F. Buckley.

Yes. I really-- I find people with whom I communicate even with disagreements-- and that's the only way I can communicate with people, when I have respect for them. As I told you I couldn't communicate with Perdleton.

What about the executive director of that commission? What was her name? Linda Chavez?