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What about her?

Do you know her or do you know of her?

No, I don't know her nor do I have any desire to know her now. No. You see how open-minded I am. No.

Is there anything else you'd like to say about the black family?

No, except that we've got to do something about it, but we probably won't.

I have sort of a specific question, going back a while. I don't believe that I asked you this during your earlier interviews. I want to go way back to when Roy Wilkins was appointed Executive Secretary of the NAACP. I have heard-- I've never read anything authoritative on this-- that their chief lobbyist in Washington, Clarence Mitchell, had wanted, perhaps even had expected that. Do you know whether there's any truth to that or not?

No, I don't know specifically, but I would expect that he being human, he had human aspirations and ambitions that would have included that.