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Of McCarthy.

What about it?

Did you follow that episode at all?

Absolutely not.

You would not suppose that Cohn's outrage would either cause a decline in contributions or perhaps an upsurge in contributions?

I would hope the latter.

Toward the end of your last interview, you were expressing what you wished to do in the future, and one of them, you said, pull back a little bit, so you could look at things-- I don't know whether you used the word “gain perspective”, but I think that's by inference.

That's true, yes.

And at the same time that you wanted to finish building your own firm here, so that this would become a legacy for your children and your grandchildren. How has that worked out?

Well, I've pulled back, but I don't know that it's