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Had you ever heard that he was a member that he was a member of the Young Communists' League?

No. I thought it was the Young Socialists' League. I don't know.

Let me come up to the Truman executive order desegregating the armed forces. Did A. Philip Randolph discuss the genesis of that order, or post-mortem it in any way?

I don't recall.

You don't recall if another march was threatened?

No, I just don't recall that. My image of that was that this came out of Truman's reaction to the report of his commission he appointed. You know, with the title, “To Secure these Rights”? I don't think he that Truman made this decision out of the kind of threats that Randolph made to Roosevelt. But again I'm just giving you my personal impression.

Let's come to the march on Washington that did occur. Did you discuss that before it occurred with A. Philip Randolph or any of the other leaders?

In fact, my wife and I were in Europe when that occurred. We