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going to say that it's not [?]. It seems as if most of the conservative organizations or think tanks are concentrated on the west coast. But I don't think that's true. I mean, I think that there is a proliferation of conservative organizations. It's now fashionable to be labeled, designated, and to be publicized as a conservative. I think this is increasingly fascinating. It's no longer fashionable to be designated as liberal. In fact, the term liberal seems to have become sort of, at best, somewhat humorous, and at worst they get kind of pejorative. That's not telling you anything about this Chickering guy. As I said, I don't know very much about him.

From reading this column I cannot define what his racial background is. But he's taken some pretty firm positions as far as--

I haven't seen the column. If I could have a copy of it before you

Alright.

I presume that it's a key theme in conservatives' approach to civil rights, is the theme of being against quotas, affirmative action.

I think he goes a little further than that. I think his brush is little broader. But let me pick out a couple of quotes here. In the second paragraph he starts, “Conservatives are today politically hobbled because their view of race problems focuses on individuals,