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I don't think I ever talked with him about that specifically. [6TM I went in to his restaurants. I observed what he was doing. I don't think I ever discussed it. No, I don't remember any conversations with Malcolm specifically on those issues of entrepreneurship or Muslim business, and what not. My conversations with Malcolm were, looking back on it, were sort of more general about race relations and models, constructive and positive models for black youth. I gave you a copy of the introduction that I wrote to the new book--

This one?

Yes.

You gave me the book.

Yes, I gave you the book, okay.

Yes. I was just re-reading your introduction this morning. Before coming to these discussions you've had on role models, one more question on the Muslim business activities. From what you could observe of them then did you believe, or was this your impression that this showed that somebody like Malcolm could come and reach in to the ghetto, and there would be blacks who perhaps formally were not highly educated but nonetheless had the capabilities of running these businesses?