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happening. The extent to which it's happening is, again, open to study.

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To digress here for just a moment, Dr. Clark, there has been some news yesterday, the Reagan candidate, I believe for Associate Deputy Attorney General who is now heading the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department--

That's an irony.

Bradford Reynolds was rejected by the Senate Judiciary Committee. You were following that, the controversy?

I certainly was following it. Up until a week ago I, if I were a betting man, I would have bet that he would have been confirmed. But then when two Republican Senators began to question his credibility, I said, “Well, maybe some justice will emerge here.” I wasn't sure. I didn't know what was going to happen after it was postponed for a week. When Mr. Reagan got on national radio and told the American people what a great civil rights advocate Mr. Reynolds was, I said, “Oh, boy.” I was prepared for a confirmation. But then a glimmer of justice became brighter when he was rejected. Let me say something else. The honesty of Reagan in saying what he said, mainly that Bradford Reynolds was expressing his, Reagan's, civil rights views was fascinating to me because actually we needn't be