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And yet, going back to Carter's re-election effort, didn't he
bring Louis Martin in to the White House to re-assure him on the
Yes, but it was not up for grabs.
It was almost a redundant mission, wasn't it?
Incidentally, you've participated in, what is it, the Joint
Center for Political Studies in Washington?
I was a founder.
You were a founder of that. Perhaps, I asked you this before.
Did you co-found that with Louis Martin, among others?
Louis Martin, and Percy Sutton. We were the founders.
How would you evaluate its achievements so far?
I think it's achieved in terms of being a repository of data
on blacks--excuse me a moment.
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