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treated so much as a fellow black as he is an American, a foreigner?

I've heard blacks say that. I don't know how insistent it is but I've certainly heard a number of blacks say that. I've heard--well, even Percy Sutton has said that black business men are not given any advantages for being black.

That's over white operated businesses.

That's right.

Would they, by any chance, get less advantage?

Well, the implication was that they would.

Well, to conclude today, Dr. Clark, you've looked in to your crystal ball before but what would you like in to it--

Very cloudy. [laughs]

Any further--what you foresee in this field of interaction among the ethnic groups?

I do have a rather cloudy crystal ball, and the older I get the more cloudy it becomes or maybe the older I get the more cloudy my lenses are. Yes, there are some positive changes that are “occurring.” These are, I believe, and this is repetitious, more