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him in a corridor here in a New York hotel during a conference and he thought for a few seconds and then he said, and I think this may be one quote I can almost photographically remember. He said, “You must not rely on technology alone or otherwise the underclasses will be worse off than they were before.” Does this fit some of the comments you've heard him make about the American situation at all?

Yes, and I certainly agree with that, particularly in terms of technology, education, and the use of technology for education. It seems to me that unless that's really regulated and carefully monitored the discrepancy and the distance between the academic achievement of lower class children and middle class children will widen. No question. I keep saying that before my colleagues at the Board of Regents. May I take a little rest?

Oh, yes.

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I want to come to another follow-up question on a topic you've discussed before, and that's South Africa. You've already told about your trip there and everything. But do you have any further viewpoint on whether or not disinvestment or divestment should be carried out or whether, say as the chief executive officer of IBM John Akers has said--wrote in a rather vigorously worded op-ed piece in the [New York] Times that there would be a tremendous cost in training and jobs. What's going on there now, American businesses,