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Center, I was always awed by people who believed that they could
affect the lives of other people, and somewhat afraid, I guess.
My role at Northside, for the fifteen years I was
associated with my wife, was that of research director and observer
of the process, rather than a participant in it.
Is there anything else that you recall a bout your period at
Columbia? It was by no means so exciting as my period at
Howard. I looked upon Columbia as a necessary and inescapable step
toward the credentials, you know; not particularly intellectually
You said, you applied to only two schools for your PhD. Had you
looked at such places as -- was Yale large in psychology at that
No. It became larger in the later forties, as I recall, and
in a direction that I was not particularly interested in. University
of Chicago in psychology was, to me, too constrictive. You see, again
I have to remind you that my view of psychology was determined by
Francis Cecil Sumner, you know, who had this broad view. I could
not have been happy anywhere where I was restricted to rats.
You know, behaviorism as such. Maybe I should have thought of University
of Michigan, but I didn't. But it didn't matter, because I
knew where I wanted to go.
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