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What about Stanford, with Lewis Terman, at that time?

I was convinced that was too limited. You know. I had a lot of questions about the Terman view of IQ as having some kind of absolutistic value in itself. I had questions, even as an undergraduate, about the -- you know, the isolated genius factor.

No, I was terribly opinionated. I was not too open-minded about things, then.

Does this mean you questioned, then, the validity of the StanfordBinet Intelligence Test?

Validity, in the sense of an absolute indicator of human potential, yes. But I've always done that. I mean, even in my social action phase of my schizphrenia, you know, -- somewhere along the line, I was exposed to and took seriously human potential, as the essential fact about the human being. You know, and I have very few exceptions to that, and the exceptions are fortunately very limited, and observable -- namely, the defective, the mentally defective. And even there, I would hope that some time in the future, we would find some way of remedying organismic, endocrinologically determined defectiveness.

But, once I move away from defective, mentally defective human beings, I'm a curious kind of environmentalist. That is, I believe that external supports and stimulation, (and certainly from my own life, there is validation for this) can bring out in particular individuals capacities that it's very easy to give up on before one tries, you know.