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Well, skimmed, of course. You know, if we were going to divert some of it, it would have to be skimmed.

I don't know what the details are. As Adam said, I was too damn naive to talk with him about how one does this. But the fact that he wanted us to do it was clear.

You had no doubt that he intended to get some of that money for his personal use.

Not only no doubt -- I mean, it was stated. “For our personal use.” He wanted me to be partners with him, heading the professional part of this, while he provided the political power and support, so that we could get some of this, a proportion, a substantial amount of this money, to split among ourselves. You know.

And according to Adam, this was common, day to day, practice. He made it very clear. He prophesied what was going to happen. He said, if I made a public fight of this, that I'd be out there on my own weak limb without any support from the President, from Bobby Kennedy, or from any of the people in the President's Committee on Juvenile Delinquency who were working with Bobby.

By the way, this was the antecedent of the Anti-Poverty Program. In fact, the basic ingredients of the Anti-Poverty Program were extracted from the community action part of the YOUTH IN THE GHETTO report.

All right. Then he went down the line to New York. He said, “Bob Wagner can't afford to come out and back you, because this would be seen as opposing Lyndon Johnson and Bobby Kennedy, and he has enough