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In other words, you were splitting an appropriation?

Oh -- well, it wasn't even that, because it wasn't at our -- it wasn't at HARYOU expense. ACT had its own appropriation, and its own staff, and its own reason for being, but at no time in those planning stages was the money available to ACT taken, even in small part, from HARYOU. We had the amount of money that we needed to do our work. And I thought that that would continue.

After we came up with the results of our planning document, I thought that Adam would have let us go our way, while he had his own plaything in ACT.

But he didn't. When he read our document, he said, “No, you can't go your own independent way. I've got to take this over.”

Then there was a fusion, and this became HARYOU-ACT?

Yes. There was a fusion after I left, totally defeated.

Well, did HARYOU over do anything in a programmatic sense, before this fusion?

Now, how do you expect me to -- before? Well, it wasn't in the programmatic stage, before my departure. It was in the planning stage. And whatever programs we had were only pre-tests, planning programs, you see.

Well, now, before your departure, when you thought that there could be this co-existence here, how were the activities or the programs going tobe --