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-- no, I never thought there could be co-existence.

Never?

No. I was asking for independence. I was asking Adam to be content with, and get as much money as he wanted, for ACT, but let HARYOU be, you know, independent, and not interfered with by his political avariciousness.

And he said no, that didn't make sense, because that would be a threat, a danger to him.

See, the need to put them together was not necessarily financial, because I think he could have gotten as much money as he wanted out of the ACT financial setting, and he did. ACT was in his building, that the church had purchased, out of the funds of the federal government, really. We were in some rooms on the first floor of the YMCA.

No, I never -- in fact, I got rid of a very powerful, in terms of connections, young man who was my administrative program director. His name was Cliff Alexander. Cliff Alexander is now a powerful political force in Washington, with Arnold Porter, I think, or he was with Arnold Porter. He's one of the more powerful blacks in the Washington scene, and he was my program director, and he was going around talking to the President's Committee on Juvenile Delinquency, and B obby Kennedy and Adam and David Hackett, advocating co-existence, in the early stages of the planning. And I asked him to resign. And all hell tumbled down on me. His mother was close to Wagner. He had a lot of very good professional contacts in the