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Is there anything you can recall for your reminiscence from
those conversations with Martin?
Sure. Louis had the highest degree of respect for Ray. In
fact, Louis claims today, if you talk with him, that he more than
any other single person was responsible for the, Ray's ability to
control his skepticism about academicians. And to accept the
possibility that we could be friends. I don't know, maybe Louis
is telling the truth. Louis says that he convinced Ray that Ray
should work with me on the HARYOU thing. Ray has never confirmed
that. In fact, I've never asked Ray. I saw Ray, by the way, last
month when I was in the Virgin Islands, spent the day with him.
Down in St. Thomas. Is there anyone else, any other, leaders
of either race, any race, that you were in important consultation with,
during the HARYOU -ACT dispute? CORE, for example?
No. Malcolm X. The youngsters thought they were putting
something over on me, inviting Malcolm to any of our meetings and
affairs and what not. What they didn't know was that Malcolm and
I had mutual respect. We let them believe what they wanted to believe.
We'd talk about it, after. Malcolm had-- he was very positive about
what we were doing. We talked about it. I had a lot of respect
for Malcolm X. He had a sense of division of labor in the complex
war against racism, you know. He knew that he had a difficult role
to play, which would complement the kind of role that more
“respected” civil rights leaders played. We talked about it.
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