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Malcolm's death left a void that has not yet been filled.

Incidentally, when we were discussing Adam Clayton Bowell, wasn't Malcolm another black leader that did have the kind of appeal --

-- different. A different kind of appeal. More solid, I think. Malcolm was a moral man. I've seen Malcolm cry, about the killing of his brothers. I've talked with him about things that the public wouldnever believe this man -- he loved children, you know. He loved young people. I used to invite him to my classes at City College, and he would -- all that stuff about “Whitey” disappeared, because there'd be only one or two black youngsters in my class, and Malcolm would --you know, he would embrace the students psychologically. He was a very empathic man. You would neverknow it by some of the extreme things he said. You know, he was trying to shake people up.

I have never known Malcolm to refuse an invitation from a young person, that he could accept, including my son inviting him up to Kent School.

Can you recall any of the other matters that you discussed with Malcolm?

Yes. I inter viewed him a number of times on radio and television. In fact, I had one of my interviews published, with Malcolm. We discussed everything, including our main difference of