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No.

That is, at the time that it occurred, was that your reaction?

No, no, no, no -- I didn't believe that it was purely, you know, restricted to the Congo, because obviously the European nations were jockeying for power and economic control and profits. So it was clear that these two men were merely the surface characters of the conflict. I mean, they weren't fighting just between themselves, they werefighting in terms of the interests which each represented, and obviously conflicting interests. I mean, as witness the fact that Tshombe was able to travel around Europe and other places.

They are human, you know. And they respond to the kinds of appeals and power baits that apparently other human beings do.

To return to the thread of Adam Clayton Powell --

(laughs) -- you find it hard to get away from Adam!

Two questions here. First of all, you stated that he told you that he found your discussion in DARK GHETTO to be very inciteful.

Yeah.

Were you talking specifically about those paragraphs where you say that he was no longer in the forefront of the equal rights movement, that he was somewhat of a has-been, but nevertheless