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but that's not love. I mean, you know, love, no matter how you define it, no matter how many of the Greek words you use to differentiate the various kinds of love, let's face the fact that oppressed human beings do not react to oppression by philosophy.

It's interesting, I went from your allusion to Andy Young, to Martin, because that's when I first met Andy, as an associate of Martin, and I was always impressed with their sophistication, even as I raised my questions about the extent to which that sophistication could be directly translated to the masses.

Now, I also must say that they seem to have succeeded, in their way, in their communication with the masses of blacks, in terms of broadening the perspective, generally. And I guess one reason is because nobody engaged in this kind of seminar discussion that I'm having about it -- that Martin and Andy, in his way, were such persuasive speakers, you know, that they radiated sincerity, that it didn't encourage analysis, although the implications of what they were saying -- and it's probably just as well. Neither were they demagogues in this. They were a well-needed breath of fresh air.

The other thing I that I suppose was the basis of my debate with Martin on this is, because he always made me feel so damned inadequate. He really believed what he said. He really believed in love -- on many different levels. He was a genuine person. He's one of the few persons I know, or knew, in which the public stands and philosophy, and the private person, were close, if not identical. I mean, I never heard him say a nasty or a petty thing about another human being -- including J.. Edgar Hoover. And I got angry with him

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