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For the most part, it was busy work. The advantages that
I've had in serving on these things -- I did get an opportunity
to see how they worked from the inside, you know. And most of the --
well, what I was left with would be, for the most part, the limits
of any serious change. I don't mean tosay that cynically, but
few of my governmental involvements left me with any -- with a
sense that, here is an instrument, here is a vehicle for significant
changes toward equity or justice, something of that sort. The
closest I came to that was my UDC experience, the Urban Development
Corporation. But wow, what -- this was the basis upon which it
was destroyed, I think, that it really could have been a fairly
effective instrument for change.
And when that became clear, it seemed to me that it became
clear that it couldn't be permitted to continue.
Could you be a little more specific on that point, Dr. Clark?
Could I do it next session?
I didn't even know I was going to go into that until you
asked the question, you know, about -- I will talk as long as
you want me to about Urban Development Corporation. Again, you know,
I was a founding member of that. It was the most positive of
the experiences that I had, although it was really a quasi-governmental
agency, in that it was sent up by the New York legislation with
extraordinary powers. And it was a mistake, because Nelson Rockefeller
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