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used the assassination of Martin Luther King as the emotional, you know, fuel to get the legislature to set up this unique apparatus to bring housing into the state without it being encumbered by the red tape and cant and bureaucratic interferences, and biases, interestingly enough, which seems to have hampered all other public housing agencies.

But once the society got a chance to step back and see the Frankenstein that Rockefeller helped to create, then it had to be brought back into reality. And it was.

All right-- I'll put on tape as much of that experience as I can remember.

We'll put that on the agenda for the next session, then. Now, have you not also been a member of the National Child Labor Commission?

Yes. Where'd you get that, out of the morgue?

Well, I confess this particular bit came out of WHO'S WHO.

Yeah. That was experience, in a sense, at a time in my life when -- and interestingly enough, I was invited to that board before blacks were fashionable. But at a time when it was clear that the National Child Labor Commission was not a major force in our society. It had done its work decades before, in bringing about child labor laws, with the aid of unions. The whole time I sat on that board, I was plagued with the thought that the successes of the National Child Labor Committee were really determined by the