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growing power of labor unions, rather than any increased sense of decency on the part of American capitalism, management. But I also feel that about compulsory education laws, you know -- that what they basically reflect is the fact that, with increasing industrialization and automation and growth of labor unions, that there was no place for young people in the economy, so you had to keep postponing the time when they were permitted to enter the economy. If automation, we're going to have to postpone it even more, by junior colleges -- I don't know whether we'll over get to the point of compulsory higher education beyond junior college, if for no other reason that that it may seem to be too expensive. But it might be even more expensive to have unemployed youngsters in their late teens or early twenties, you know, en massed. I don't know.

You were also of the National Scholarship Service.

I should be ashamed. Yeah.

Put down all those to experience. You know, inquisitive, maybe insatiable social scientist or human being, who seems unable to say no, but who also was driven by the desire to look at things first hand, I guess. I guess some ego was involved, except they never, from my perspective were ever really ego-gratifying, as much as they were educational. In fact, looking back on it, I'm kind of ashamed that the list of them, whose only justification could be that I was learning from them -- it certainly doesn't reflect wise use of time.