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I think that even goes for polio. They became a victim of success, but damned if they dismantled -- found something else that they're going to try to build into the same kind of mass appeal that they had. Am I sounding cynical?

And I was involved in a number of organizations that continued to exist because they made it possible for people to get together and talk about what good they were doing.

I should be embarrassed, the things I'm saying to you. I say them to myself, frequently.

Anything particular happen during your period as director of the National Scholarship Service? Are you still a director of it?

No, no, no. No, no, I'm no director.

Any particular proposals?

Yes, we did -- Larry and I wrote that monograph on NEGRO STUDENTS IN INTERRACIAL COLLEGES, in which we looked at the admissions procedures and what not, and I think that had some influence on admission policies of these schools. Maybe they went overboard a little -- the major finding being that the SAT scores not as predictive of college success for Negro students as they were for the general population.

Not as predictive.

Oh no. By no means as predictive. I guess that was our major contribution to National