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Scholarship Service Fund.

The Fund for Negro Students?

I don't remember that one. Is that in WHO'S X WHO?

Yes.

What the hell did I... I'll be it's not in the recent ones. I don't remember that. I just don't remember that at all. I know what it was, it's probably an adjunct or subsidiary to the National Scholarship Service Fund. Could have been, yes. I remember being on some group that distributed monies to individual students, so that may have been it.

You've been a director of the New Lincoln School?

My children went to the New Lincoln School. In fact, my daughter went to the old Lincoln School.

You were a trustee of your old alma mater, Howard University.

I'm not a trustee any more. By choice.

Was there a problem there?

Time, and diagnosis, prognosis. As I got older, I became aware of limited time, and I didn't see anything I could contribute to making that university -- shall I say, honest?

Did you feel when you started serving as a trustee that you were making a contribution?