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together of articles that Jeanette thought would make a book, and which I was always worried about.

Of course, PATHOS OF POWER is the title of your --

-- yes, yes, yes --

-- your presidential speech to the American Psychological Association.

Yes, yes, yes. All right.

I wanted to come to the APA. Not, When did you join? When did you become especially active in the American Psychological Association?

I became especially active in the American Psychological Association when I was elected president-elect -- I think.

I think, and this can be checked, I think I was a member of the board of directors of the APA a number of years before that. I was president of the Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues a number of years before I was elected president-elect of the APA. I was never really involved, in the sense of participation, you know, in committee work or what not, or any of the boards of the APA. And I will tell you that when they told me I was president-elect, I thought they'd made a mistake. I thought that they meant Kenneth E. Clark, who's dean of the College of Liberal Arts at University of Rochester, and who's an active member of APA. You know, he was on various committees and what not.