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discouraged, you know, and so my husband persuaded me, and it
didn't take much work, to go into psychology.
What year were you in then?
I was in my sophomore year, second year. And the third
year, I went into psychology.
Which year did you actually meet Kenneth Clark?
I actually met him the first year, though I didn't come to
know him until the second year.
Just as a personal reminiscence here, can you remember you
reaction to him, either when you first met him or when you came to
Yes. Well, I was in awe of a lot of the seniors, and particularly
senior men who were engaged in things like editing the paper,
or managing the campus, and he was editor of -- no, he wasn't the
editor, but he was working on the paper. Anyway, he was from
that group of people who were doing things, you know, whom everybody
admired. And I think that had a lot to dox with it.
When I went to school they used to have the term “Big Man
On Campus.” Is that a term that was used at Howard University?
Well, it wasn't term, but it was a concept, yes, because
there were a few. And there were a few who were big men academically
or, you know, involved in management circles, and then there were a
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