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And was this before or after you earned your Master's degree?

No, this was when I was a senior in college.

Did you have any kind of special wedding, or?

Oh, it was very quaint. You know, we had tried to get married a week before Easter, and we couldn't, because I didn't realize that you had to be 20 or 21, I don't remember -- whatever age you had to be, I was not that age yet, and so we could n't get married that week. And we decided that the next week, I would say I was 21 or whatever it was I had to be, and Kenneth came back the next week, and we went with a friend of ours and the friend's wife and child to a small place in Virginia. I don't even remember the name of it. And it was so small -- well, we got the license at this small place, and then we to find a minister. And we had to find him out in the field. He was, I don't know whether he was driving or attending to animals or what, but he was very dirty, and he came into a shack, really, and he cleaned himself up, and he married us.

Stafford, Virginia, was the place.

And we went on a weekend honeymoon to Fredericksburg, Virginia.

But then your decision to go to New York had already been made, before you were married?

No. I think it was made as we were planning our marriage, you know, and planning how we were going to manage. That was the critical question -- if we got married, how were we going to manage? How were we going to support ourselves?