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So I think it was part of a large planning package.

Did you have any particular feeling about psychology studies at Columbia, as compared to psychology studies at other universities?

Well, I didn't know very much about psychology studies at other universities. So, for me, this was it. And Columbia has been certainly acknowledged to be one of the outstanding schools, as far as psychology was concerned. I was very impressed with the teachers here. I felt it was an outstanding psychology department here. They had some of the best known psychologists at that time.

When you got to Columbia, did you find then that they had a much wider array of especially child psychology type courses?

No, they didn't.

Did not?

No. No, they were heavily experimental at Columbia. Heavily. There were men there like Woodward -- the social people were -- did not dominate the department, although Klenberg was here. Gardner Murphy was here. But that was not -- most of the department was experimental. Tended toward the pure psychology, rather than the social.

Was this any kind of disappointment to you?

Oh -- no, because I was interested in the subject. I enjoyed going to the school. I enjoyed the subjects I took, for the