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because they had a very small group of children in a nursery school.
But they had published a paper on it, and I was very much taken
with it. You know, it was just something that really gripped me.
So I was fairly single track about this subject, of the development
of consciousness of self, and the point at which children became
aware of themselves and aware that they were black. So it wasn't
the poverty that was the consuming thing to me. I might have been
aware of that -- certainly many of these children were very poor.
Then it was the stark fact of the blackness that caused --
-- that's what I was interested in --
-- any problem to be, Just irrespective of their intelligence
I didn't say that the blackness caused problems. No. I was
not trying to find that out. No. I think later we were trying to
find out what the impact of this meant -- you know, what significance
it was that children did learn so early. And later we concluded
that it certainly had significance in terms of the development of
an inferiority complex, etc., self-hatred. But I can't say that
I was that broad in the beginning.
Can you remember a little more precisely just when you gained
this insight, that it brought about self-hatred ?
Well, that was when we enlarged the research, and we
had many more children. We had children from the North and we
had children from Southern schools. We had a very big sample.
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