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I would say, first year in New York: the first year we started on the -- on our research.

Of course, my husband was traveling through the South, and we were talking with each other, you know, on the implications of it. So I would say, that first year.

As you discussed the implications, could you kind of trace the evolution of your thinking about this problem as it exists, and how this then influenced whatever next step you took after you completed this field work?

Would you ask that question again?

Could you trace a little more the evolution of your thinking about the impact of the feeling of self-hatred, and how this influenced you towards your next step, after you completed these field studies?

Well, I think this. As we had findings from the study, that is the thing that triggered any thinking, you know, that we did about it. I think, as we found the children really didn't want to be black or even brown, then you began to wonder about the whole field of education, and what did it mean that all these children were in one place? You know, what kind of situation is this, that they're isolated from whites, and they can never learn that they're just as good as whites, they're just as bright as whites. They'll always think they're inferior. They'll always think that whites are superior to them.