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Then very shortly we began to ask for contributions, and we were tax-exempt. That helped a lot. A lot. The first two years that we had the board were very fortunate years, because it was just in that period that the National Youth Act was passed, which meant that money came into the city for services like ours. And indeed, just before we moved, we began to receive money under this act from what they called the New York City Youth Board. This was a sizeable amount of money. It enabled us to expand, oh, about twice our size. And to pay people. Pay everybody.

So by the time we moved, all the staff people were paid, and we had many more staff people.

The National Youth Act, was that under the Kennedy Administration?

No. Later the Natioal Mental Health Act was passed under Kennedy, and again that helped us here. That was a sizeable amount more money coming in. In fact, that's how we exist now. That's the public money we're getting now, that started under that act, and the Youth Board no longer exists.

Has federal money been cut back too in the last year or so?

Yes. And that's money coming into the city, so that's been cut, coming to the state, it's been cut. But we've been very fortunate to receive public money all along, even as we were building up our sources of private support. We've been very fortunate. And then we became members of the Greater New York Fund, and that gives us a stable little piece of money each year. And we developed volunteer