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Do you recall the names of some of the others who left? with Marian Asooli?

Yes. Trude Lash left. Dr. (Louis) Gilbert left. Elizabeth Davis left. She's a psychiatrist of school.

I think most of them did not leave. Marian Ascoli's brother-in-law did not leave.

What was his name?

(Mrs?) Alfred Stern. One of Marians close friends did not leave. Mrs. Arnie Weiss did not leave. Plus none of the black or Spanish people left.

Maybe we should put those names of the record too.

I'll have to get an accurate list.

Did this dispute mean then that those (who left) wanted it be more psychiatric, that did not feel the remedial, the learning process was the proper route to emphasize, -- wanted it to become more psychiatric at the expense of your remedial reading?

Yes. At the expense of our eclecticism. We were never -- we've never been bound by the Freudian psychoanalytic approach. Never. But at that time, this was the thing, and if you weren't a psychoanalytically-oriented psychiatrist, you weren't a psychiatrist. I mean, it just wasn't tolerated in this field. And all the schools were geared to it. Everything was geared to it. But we had always known that for our particular population of children,