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this wasn't going to work. In the first place, analysis took years. You can't take years with children. Time runs out. They grow up. So you have to have -- and particularly with clients who have to be helped on the spot, so to speak. You know, they have an immediate need. And we always knew that, but some of the board people did not.

People like Dr. David Levy, never knew what it meant to offer psychiatric services to poor children.

So you were actually bringing in here a difference, that whites traditionally have difficulty understanding how blacks really feel --

Or what they need.

Also, the wealthier, the more affluent middle class can't really understand what the poor need.

No.

There might not even be a race distinction here.

That's true.

Like the Appalachian whites, for example.

That's true. Yes. No, they can't understand what the poor need. That's the way to say it.

So when I said there was paternalism in it, I think there was a great deal of feeling on their part that they really did know what these black and Spanish children needed. I mean, they knew best