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children to learn. They will have to help him after school. How they must go to the school, they must participate in the school, you know, and they have to make certain demands for their child, but they also have to give something to the school, or they have to participate in whatever parents do, or make some contribution to the school. They have to go talk to the teacher. Find out what your child is doing. Many parents don't really know what's going on with their children. They really don't.

So it's picking upon strengths that we have to do. Maybe more things, but these are the critical kinds of approaches.

Actually, as far as trying to determine these strengths goes, eventually the weaknesses too, a lot of this can be determined by a person who's not a psychiatrist, can't it?

Of course. Of course. In fact, social workers are particularly adept at this. They're very adept at it, and not oriented to pathology.

In any event, the customary social worker will have had some psychology, probably a fair amount of psychology.

Yes. Yes.

Also, you're set up here as a center for children, which as you just said means that you very often you really have to start, once you've identified the child that needs help, you very often have to start with the parent, don't you?