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That's right. That's why we're family-oriented. We really are.

Now, are most of your children referred here now through physicians still?

No, most of the children are coming through the public schools.

Through the schools.

Most.

Any from ministers?

Some from ministers, some from other social agencies. A few from courts, and a great many, an increasing number, just come because their families have heard about it.

When a child is referred, rather than coming through the parents, how often do you encounter resistance from the parents?

Very seldom, because they only come voluntarily.

Even the child.

Yes, because everybody who comes here comes voluntarily. I mean, even if the school tells the family he should go here, the family doesn't have to come. So most of the families are coming because they really want to help.

Actually the referral from the school of the child is through the parents, then?